Parliament Hansard Report – List Member Elected, Members Sworn – 001436

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LIST MEMBER ELECTED

SPEAKER: I understand that Benjamin Cody Doyle is present and wishes to make the Affirmation of Allegiance. Would Benjamin Cody Doyle please come forward to the chair on my right.

MEMBERS SWORN

BENJAMIN DOYLE (Green): Ko ahau, ko Benjamin Cody Doyle, e kī ana i runga i te pono, i te tika, i te ngākau tapatahi me te whakaū anō ka noho pirihonga, ka noho pūmau ki a Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru me tōna kāhui whakaheke e ai ki te ture.

[Applause]

Parliament Hansard Report – Thursday, 24 October 2024 – Volume 779 – 001435

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ORAL QUESTIONS

QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS

Question No. 1—Prime Minister

1. TAMATHA PAUL (Green—Wellington Central) to the Acting Prime Minister: What commitments, if any, will the Government make to ensuring the 44 recommendations from the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Terrorist Attack on Christchurch Mosques continue to be implemented?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Acting Prime Minister): First, we would like to acknowledge that March 15 was one of the darkest days for New Zealand. In light of ongoing work, the coordinated cross-Government response to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Terrorist Attack on Christchurch Mosques has been concluded. As we announced earlier in the year, the Government made decisions on all remaining royal commission of inquiry recommendations as the coordinated cross-Government response concluded, as well. The majority of the recommendations were either implemented fully or were still being progressed. We implemented 36 of the 44 recommendations, demonstrating the Government’s commitment to ensuring the intent of the royal commission of inquiry is still met with the ongoing work that Government agencies are still doing to keep New Zealanders safe.

Tamatha Paul: Will he commit to continue to fund He Whenua Taurikura, the violent extremism research centre, noting the increase in Islamophobia and antisemitism and royal commission recommendations on improving how we respond to extremism?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: No, the fact is that the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet is looking at better options for the best use of that funding. Now, detailed questions should, of course, have been addressed to the responsible Minister.

Tamatha Paul: How is weakening firearms controls consistent with the royal commission’s recommendations to tighten firearms licensing systems?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: The question concerns a subject that is a work in progress at this point of time. The Government has committed to a significant programme to reform firearms law over this parliamentary term and work is substantially already under way. In January this year, the responsibility for the Arms Act 1983 was reassigned from police to the justice portfolio and delegated to the Associate Minister of Justice (Firearms). Reform provides a chance to modernise the regime and simplify the requirements on licensed firearms owners without compromising public safety. And, of course, detailed questions should be addressed to the responsible Minister.

Ricardo Menéndez March: Point of order. Just noting those statements at the end of both questions, this was a question that was transferred, and I am concerned that after the Government has transferred that question, we just kept getting told that those questions should have been referred to the adequate Minister, when the Government side chose to actually make the Acting Prime Minister answer questions on this topic.

Rt Hon Winston Peters: Speaking to the point of order, any experienced parliamentarian will know that generic questions can be answered by the Prime Minister, but when it comes to specific details, if they are seriously being sought, the specificity of the detail should be asked of the responsible Minister.

SPEAKER: I think the problem is that the question was originally asked to the responsible Minister, but then got transferred to the Acting Prime Minister. That means that it’s quite inappropriate to then say that the member should ask the appropriate Minister when, in fact, they did, and the Government, somewhere along the line, decided that it would be the Acting Prime Minister who answered it.

Tamatha Paul: Will the Government commit to introducing faith as a protected category, noting the royal commission’s recommendations to ensure Aotearoa has fit for purpose hate crime laws and policies?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: I’m sorry, Mr Speaker, I didn’t hear the questioner’s question. Could you repeat the question, please?

SPEAKER: Ask it again, and can you just face your mike—sometimes, they don’t pick everything up. Thank you.

Tamatha Paul: Yep. Will the Government commit to introducing faith as a protected category, noting the royal commission’s recommendations to ensure Aotearoa has fit for purpose hate crime laws and policies?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: Could I just reply, on behalf of the Government, that we will consider all reasonable requests if they are made for the purpose of ensuring that we’re a safer country.

Tamatha Paul: How will the Government commit to ongoing support for whānau of the shuhada, the bullet-wounded, and the impacted families?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: As someone who sat around the Cabinet table preparing all the work in terms of supporting those families—which was immense and highly responsible and was applauded all around the world—I would say that we’ve continued to make that commitment, going forward.

Tamatha Paul: How will the Government address the fact that police data shows that 58 percent of all reported faith-motivated hate crimes target Aotearoa’s Muslim community?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: Let me say that we’re willing to look into all information, but the country that I belong to is a country called New Zealand, and it will be that way until the New Zealand people decide to change its name—not by some elite purpose, but because we believe in referendum and consensus.

Ricardo Menéndez March: Point of order. Litigating whether my colleague used “Aotearoa” as opposed to “New Zealand” fails completely to address the question on actually quite a serious issue.

SPEAKER: No, it definitely addressed the question; whether it addressed it satisfactorily is another matter. Did the member can have another question? No—OK.

Parliament Hansard Report – Karakia/Prayers – 001434

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THURSDAY, 24 OCTOBER 2024

The Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.

KARAKIA/PRAYERS

BARBARA KURIGER (Deputy Speaker—National): Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the King and pray for guidance in our deliberations that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen.

Parliament Hansard Report – Business Statement – 001433

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BUSINESS STATEMENT

Hon CHRIS BISHOP (Leader of the House): Today the House will adjourn until Tuesday 5 November. In that week the House will consider the second readings of the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill, the Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products Amendment Bill (No 2), the Building (Earthquake-prone Building Deadlines and Other Matters) Amendment Bill and the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading Scheme Agricultural Obligations) Amendment Bill.

There will be extended hours on Wednesday morning for Government business and the afternoon will be a members’ day.

Hon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour): To the Leader of the House: are any of the extended sittings that were signalled this week intended to be for members’ business?

Hon CHRIS BISHOP (Leader of the House): Not at this stage, but I’m always open to a discussion.

Parliament Hansard Report – Wednesday, 23 October 2024 (continued on Thursday, 24 October 2024) – Volume 779 – 001432

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lass=”Debatealone”>SHAKEOUT 2024

SPEAKER: The House is going to suspend to take part in ShakeOut 2024, which is a national earthquake preparedness drill. Members will either get underneath their benches or underneath the galleries on the end; they could move now. Could everyone in the gallery please just pretend you’re on an airplane and you’ve got to do that drill and move forward and hold your knees or something like that, just while we do this.

Sitting suspended from 9.32 a.m. to 9.33 a.m.

SPEAKER: The House is resumed. Members might like to take their seat—crisis averted. I’ll just apologise to those in the gallery; we didn’t want to interrupt this important debate, but that exercise was carried out right across the country and it would have been a bit odd if Parliament had decided it didn’t need to be doing what we’re asking of everybody else. Thank you for indulging us, and I call on Dr Parmjeet Parmar.

Parliament Hansard Report – Restoring Citizenship Removed by Citizenship (Western Samoa) Act 1982 Bill — Second Reading – 001431

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lass=”BeginningOfDay”>WEDNESDAY, 23 OCTOBER 2024

(continued on Thursday, 24 October 2024)

RESTORING CITIZENSHIP REMOVED BY CITIZENSHIP (WESTERN SAMOA) ACT 1982 BILL

Second Reading

SPEAKER: Members, in accordance with a determination of the Business Committee, I call on members’ order of the day No. 1.

Parliament Hansard Report – ShakeOut 2024 – 001430

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lass=”Debatealone”>SHAKEOUT 2024

SPEAKER: The House is going to suspend to take part in ShakeOut 2024, which is a national earthquake preparedness drill. Members will either get underneath their benches or underneath the galleries on the end; they could move now. Could everyone in the gallery please just pretend you’re on an airplane and you’ve got to do that drill and move forward and hold your knees or something like that, just while we do this.

Sitting suspended from 9.32 a.m. to 9.33 a.m.

SPEAKER: The House is resumed. Members might like to take their seat—crisis averted. I’ll just apologise to those in the gallery; we didn’t want to interrupt this important debate, but that exercise was carried out right across the country and it would have been a bit odd if Parliament had decided it didn’t need to be doing what we’re asking of everybody else. Thank you for indulging us, and I call on Dr Parmjeet Parmar.

Parliament Hansard Report – Wednesday, 23 October 2024 – Volume 779 – 001429

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ORAL QUESTIONS

QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS

Question No. 1—Finance

1. DAN BIDOIS (National—Northcote) to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has she seen on Government finances?

Hon NICOLA WILLIS (Minister of Finance): The year-end financial statements for the 2023-2024 financial year show net core Crown debt of $175 billion, which is 42.5 percent of GDP. The good news is that this is lower than the Budget forecast. The bad news is that over the past six years, Government debt has skyrocketed. Some of this, of course, was due to COVID, but Government spending outside of COVID also increased significantly. Overall, net debt has gone from 19.4 percent of GDP to 42.5 percent, which, in dollar terms, colleagues, is an increase of $118 billion over six years, and the cost of financing that debt has also risen to $8.9 billion a year.

Dan Bidois: How much did net debt increase in the year 2023 to 2024?

Hon NICOLA WILLIS: Net core Crown debt at the beginning of the year was $155 billion. Over the course of the year, an extra $6 billion was borrowed to cover the cash deficit from core Crown operating activities. This is what’s known as borrowing to pay for the groceries. Another $13 billion was borrowed for investments. These include capital expenditure, for things like roads and schools; advances; contributions to the Superannuation Fund; and there was a $1 billion fair value movement in financial assets and liabilities. That adds up to a $20 billion increase in net debt over the year.

Dan Bidois: What are the Government’s objectives for debt?

Hon NICOLA WILLIS: Core Crown operating cash-flows have been negative since 2019-2020, meaning the Government has been borrowing for the groceries for five years straight, and, obviously, that is not sustainable. Debt should be used to fund investments and deal with economic shocks, not to fund operating activities. The coalition Government also has an objective to stop the rise in net debt as a percentage of GDP, put it on a downward trajectory towards 40 percent, and eventually keep it below that level, subject to shocks.

Dan Bidois: Will the Government need to borrow for tax relief?

Hon Members: It already has!

Hon NICOLA WILLIS: This is an answer which members opposite should listen to. The Government will not need to borrow at all for tax relief. Tax relief is fully funded. Neither has tax relief added to inflation. Let me remind members that there were some in this House who stood up and declared that tax relief will lead to higher inflation for longer, and they must feel so embarrassed now that annual inflation is down to 2.2 percent. Don’t trust the economic forecasts of the team opposite.

Hon David Seymour: Has the Minister seen any recent reports that the debt could be approximately $860 million lower had the previous Government adopted the new Government’s model for delivering the healthy school lunch model at half the price, and, if so, does the Government have more plans to do things smarter; bring business, Government, and civil society together; and deliver better results for less money?

Hon NICOLA WILLIS: Yes, it is correct that the Minister is not just delivering butter chicken; he’s delivering savings, too. He reflects a sentiment that the Government is very much attached to, which is that the whole reason for managing the books well is so that we can deliver better services to New Zealanders. We do not presume that doing things the way they have always been done is the best way, and we will always be on the lookout for opportunities to drive better value for money.

Parliament Hansard Report – Karakia/Prayers – 001428

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WEDNESDAY, 23 OCTOBER 2024

The Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.

KARAKIA/PRAYERS

GREG OCONNOR (Assistant Speaker): Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the King and pray for guidance in our deliberations that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen.

Parliament Hansard Report – Election of Member — Benjamin Doyle – 001427

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LIST MEMBER ELECTED

Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand—Benjamin Cody Doyle

SPEAKER: Members, I have been advised by the Electoral Commissioner that, under section 137 of the Electoral Act 1993, Benjamin Cody Doyle has been declared to be elected a member of the House of Representatives to fill the vacancy created by Darleen Tana. Just giving a bit of a gap before I go on, just in case there’s a point of order.